. >> bob king, thank you, sir, mr. president, for joining us tonight. a lot of our viewers are well younger because they don't remember the fights after world war ii and all the right about right to work. make your case quite simply. why should a worker be forced to join a union? >> well, let's start out with the facts. no worker in america is forced to join a union. the national labor re-elections act say that any worker -- our uaw constitution says any worker who does not want to be a member does not have to be. they still work. the question here really is do citizens in a community pay their fair share of the police, the fire, the snow removal, any of the services they get from that community? yes, they do. i want to ask governor snyder, is he -- >> no, no. no. bob, let me ask you the question. i know you had fun with me on that one. in other words, you have to pay the equivalent of the dues even if you're not a member of the union, right? you're forced to do it in order to work. >> you don't have to be a member of the union. so it's not about freedo